Sunday October 6, 2013

I am exasperated! There is a constant stream of vomit and filthiness that must be waded through to get the truth in researching the authentic Spirit of Prophecy vs the counterfeit SOP. I sometimes feel like I have jumped into a septic tank that must be bailed out by hand!!! Gross, YES!!! Sometimes necessary. Lord have mercy and give me strength to swim this filthy tide!

In picking up Questions on the Sealing Message, by J. N. Loughborough, published 1916, to check something else, my eyes fell upon these lines, page 18, which were highlighted.

If there is still a doubt of the resurrected Sabbath keepers’ being numbered with the 144,000, consider the following from Sister White’s words in 1909. At the General Conference in 1909, Elder Irwin had a stenographer accompany him in a call upon Sister White. He wished to ask her some questions, and have an exact copy of the words of the replies.
Among other questions was this one: “Will those who have died in the message be among the 144,000?” In reply, Sister White said: “Oh, yes, I those who have died in the faith will be among the 144,000. I am clear on that matter.” These were the exact words of question and answer, as Brother Irwin permitted me to copy from his stenographer’s report.

Previous to this I had not put much weight on this information, because we have The Day-Star and the 1858 Great Controversy, page 205, which, when combined, show clearly that all those who hear the voice of the Father giving the day and hour of Jesus coming and watch him come to this earth are, in fact, the 144,000, there are no others present.

After reading Loughborough’s comments today, I decided to see if Elder Irwin’s notes might be available on the White Estate CD. In checking this, I found the muck! and that is what I hate about doing this research. I feel dirty handling this junk! Here is what was found.

e. The Interviews: He [Elder G. A. Irwin] has with him a little notebook in which he has noted down perplexing questions which he brings before me, and if I have any light upon these points, I write it out for the benefit of our people, not only in America but in this country [Australia].–Letter 96, 1899. {3SM 51.1}
f. When There Was No Light: I have no light on the subject [as to just who would constitute the 144,000]. . . . Please tell my brethren that I have nothing presented before me regarding the circumstances concerning which they write, and I can set before them only that which has been presented to me.–Quoted in a letter by C. C. Crisler to E. E. Andross, Dec. 8, 1914. (In White Estate Document File, Number 164.) {3SM 51.2}

Let’s walk through this.

1.) Elder Irwin is getting written up in a letter dated 1899, for the exact same thing which Loughborough is describing in 1916, as having happened in 1909. So we can surmise that Irwin had a habit of doing this type of thing.

2.) Now all this is being written up in book 3 of Selected Messages. Lo, and behold! the very next item on that very page is a question about the 144,000, as to who they would be constituted of. And we have a letter (read proof here), dated December 8, 1914, of “Ellen’s” answer. “I have no light on the subject….”

3.) Just five years previous we have a highly credible report from a man who has made it a habit to ask Ellen, personally, difficult questions, and a highly credible report of the answer to one of those questions, from a man, who had only eight more years to live, but was a true pillar of the church, verified so.

But we have two “Ellens”!!!!!

God’s prophets do not speak with forked tongue!!!

This is another one of those cases where you MUST decide. You are forced to choose! You can not have it both ways!

Either Ellen was true and faithful to God, or she was not.

On this site we prove that Willie was Satan’s agent to re-write the entire authentic Spirit of Prophecy and that he took control immediately after James’ death, writing his views, his thoughts, his opinions, then putting Ellen’s name on the work as his authority it were, her work.

God Bless your study

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